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J
How much time before there's regular travel back and forth to Mars?
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Roughly.
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Like a real civilization on Mars.
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E
Well, I think it's going to take a while to build a real civilization that the real of the threshold that really matters is if we're getting past the great filter is do we have enough resources on Mars such that if the if the spaceships from Earth stop coming, you could survive?
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J
Yeah.
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So that can only be just missing one little thing.
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E
You'd be like you're on a long sea voyage and the only thing you're missing is vitamin C. Uh, it's only a matter of time, you know.
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Yeah.
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And those can be curtains.
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So you've got to have all the things necessary to sustain civilization on Mars.
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J
And the reason that those ships stopped coming could be.
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World War three, or it could be due to a slow decline of civilization, so civilization here on Earth could end with a bang or a whimper or natural disasters.
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E
Yeah, asteroid impacts in the bank category.
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Yeah, it could be like a whole series of things like.
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So like what killed the dinosaurs.
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Well, it wasn't just one thing, you know, it was like a whole bunch of things happened in a row and.
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You know, while they could have taken any one of those things, they had like three things happen and no dinosaurs, which is kind of amazing that crocodiles are still here.
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J
Yeah, those fuckers, well, they're resilient crocodiles that they all that live on decayed meat and they love rotting meat.
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And so in a any kind of disastrous situation, there's a lot of dead creatures and the crocodiles love it.
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So that's why they're around crocodiles and bugs and mushrooms and shrews truths, which is why we're here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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E
Our great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents were.
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What a strange thing someone like you had to come from.
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So there's hope.
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J
There's hope for all you rodents out there.
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Yeah, well, you can go to Mars.
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Just keep doing your homework.
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Absolutely.
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So so there will be you see the great filter.
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What did you mean by that?
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E
Well, so there's something called like the Fermi paradox of like, where are the aliens?
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Yeah.
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So, you know, where are the aliens?
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And I think it was Carl Sagan that said, like, if there either are a lot of aliens or none and the either they're equally terrifying.
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Hmm.
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If there are a lot of aliens.
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J
Well, I mean, the invasion ship, you know, bug infestation just, you know, like the Starship Troopers style.
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E
Well, yeah.
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I mean, it's like an alien civilization might just give us, like, a bug infestation.
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You know, it's like, hey, we left.
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That planet was fine.
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Now it's got a bunch of bugs.
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Just go fumigate it, you know, like we fumigate a house.
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And that's certainly possible.
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And then but if there are no aliens, well, could it be that all civilizations are just destroyed before they become inter stellar?
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J
You know?
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So, uh, and I want to be clear like that.
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To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence for alien life on Earth.
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That alien there's no there's no evidence for alien life.
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There's no direct evidence.
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E
For alien life, no.
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You know, and if somebody says, oh, what about this alien four of, you know, sighting or whatever, I'm like, listen, it's got to be at least as good as a 7-Eleven or ATM cam.
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J
OK?
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E
It's like if somebody's got to at least like an iPhone one level camera like something, you know, the problem with that is it's just too easy to fake things today, too.
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J
Yeah, sure.
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At least try hard.
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And there.
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E
Are you familiar with Commander David Fraser's account of the Tic-Tac UFO that he encountered off of the coast of San Diego?
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Like, you know, Lex Lex Friedemann?
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Yeah, Lex Freedman interviewed him on his podcast and I interviewed him as well.
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And if you ever get a chance to listen to Lex's conversation with him, it's really excellent.
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But this guy is a naval fighter pilot, and he talked about this thing that they tracked on radar that went from more than 60000 feet above sea level to one foot and less than a second shaped like a Tic TAC.
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J
No visible sign of propulsion, blocked radar, actively jammed their tracking systems and then went to their predetermined point that they were supposed to that the the fighter jet was supposed to scramble to went to it 30 miles away and, you know, a couple seconds like they have no idea how it did it.
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They don't know what it is.
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And these guys that were working for the Navy off the coast said they encountered them several times.
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They didn't know what they were.
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E
They didn't know what to do, what I just did or something.
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I mean, they do they have video of it, OK?
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They have video of it.
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They have.
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There's you ever see the New York Times article that came out in twenty seventeen about the stuff?
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